ME:
Hi, everyone, welcome to The Florida Progressives Dot Com Podcast, Episode Four, for May 16th, 2014. I'm Mike Eidson.
This show delivers news and updates via interviews with activists around the state on the issues that you, the people of Florida, care about. This episode is about energy and the environment.
As usual, listeners, stick around for the end of the show to hear the list of actions, groups, and resources discussed on the show that can help you effect positive change.
I have two guests today.
Kim Ross is the president and founder of ReThink Energy Florida, a non-profit dedicated to engaging, educating, and empowering citizens to take action and achieve energy independence in a healthier, more sustainable environment. We'll be talking about what ReThink Energy Florida does, as well as their summer camps for kids called Energy Camp.
Now, as an owner/member of EarthSTEPS, an environmental consulting firm, she also works as a Program Manager for the City of Tallahassee’s Demand-Side Management Program and manages its sustainable ‘LEED’ [Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design] building division. I’ll put more information about both of those things at the end of the show.
Brian Lee is a co-founder of ReThink Energy Florida, and serves the organization as Director of Research and Policy. His Tallahassee Progressive Grassroots Consulting business works to provide professional campaign services to Progressive candidates for office. He is running for Leon County Soil and Water Conservation District Supervisor, Seat 4, with a carbon-neutral, green campaign.
Kim and Brian, thanks so much for joining me today.
KR & BL:
Thanks for having us.
ME:
Alright, so, for this interview, I want to start with some of the energy and environmental issues facing the state of Florida, and then we’ll work outward to the specific work the two of you do and the organizations you have founded.
First up, hydrofracturing, commonly known as fracking. Drilling for natural gas is something that's been supported by both major political parties, but as we've seen time and time again, it's detrimental to our land, our air, our water. For any listeners out there that don't know much about the fracking process, can you describe it to them, and, critically, where in Florida this is happening or possibly about to happen? I know this is one issue the two of you have kept a close eye on.
KR:
Absolutely. So, the process of fracking is essentially, usually, pumping water, sand, and chemicals deep into the Earth, a couple of miles down, for the purpose of creating small fissures in a shale formation, to get more natural gas, and occasionally oil, out of the formation.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
I say “usually” because the other thing they do nowadays that’s even newer than hydraulic fracturing, is acidic fracturing, where they leave out the water, and they’re just pumping acids and chemicals and sand, for the same effect.
ME:
Oh, I hadn’t heard of that. Okay.
KR:
So, oil and gas companies refer to just that one little piece as fracturing, or hydraulic fracturing, rather than the larger process of drilling, the cement casing, the departure of [the water]. The water that they put into these wells at high pressures, and acid, and other fluids, all that, about half of it comes back up. And so that, also, is something that the industry doesn’t call fracking, but it’s obviously a very big part of that process.
And that water is so bad they can’t even re-use it in other areas for fracking. It’s just completely wasted.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
One of the things, in addition to some of the issues of health that people are having, related to fracking, that live near the wells, in addition to that, one of the big concerns is the amount of water that it uses, because it uses a tremendous amount of water.
BL:
And the solution, by the way, for this wastewater, is to inject it back into a wastewater well, underground. They use the water and chemicals to frack, the water comes back up, then they inject that same toxic mix back into the ground for storage.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
So there are issues around the country that relate to spillages from that processed water that we’re talking about, that relate to leaking of the cement casing, and chemicals and methane getting into water. Anybody can google “Faucet on Fire” and find images of methane that is actually in the water, and the owner of a home will set his faucet on fire. Set the water on fire, essentially. And you’ll see a big “poof,” because it’s got so much methane and other chemicals in the water that are able to be set on fire.
ME:
Right.
KR:
So that’s one of the issues. Also, in Oklahoma, they’ve documented at this point that the reason Oklahoma is having so many earthquakes is related to fracking and related to this process that’s kind of disturbing, well, the shell basin, but the basins where our geology is formed, where our land is sitting.
And so they’ve had some issues with earthquakes. We hear about earthquakes happening a lot more than just in California where we used to hear about earthquakes happening.
ME:
From when I read about it, it’s like low-level earthquakes, but a lot of them, in a sequence, right?
KR:
Right. Absolutely. And then, again, all these different health issues. People getting sick that live near the wells, people not being able to use their water, not being able to bathe in their water.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
So these are all issues that are happening around fracking. In Florida… a lot of people don’t think Florida has anything to do with fracking, but actually, it’s a big concern. Our oil and gas laws on the books are fifty years old. They really haven’t touched them for fifty years.
ME:
Wow.
KR:
And, so far, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection’s attitude towards permits that relate to fracking has been, “Well, it’s just a form of drilling, so we will allow it.” So there are sixteen permits, at my last count, there were sixteen permits down near the Naples area, where there’s a shell basin called the Sunniland Basin.
ME:
Okay.
KR:
That area already has drills going up. There has been a fight in that area to not allow any fracking, and the folks from that area, specifically The Stone Crab Alliance and Preserve Our Paradise, they’re kind of at ground zero. And they successfully got one of the permits in front of an administrative hearing judge, who ordered DEP to allow an advisory committee to meet, to provide a recommendation on whether or not that permit should go forward.
ME:
They ordered the DEP, is that what you just said?
KR:
Yes. They ordered DEP to convene a group called the Big Cypress Swamp (research, sp?) Advisory Committee.
ME:
Okay.
KR:
And that group convened, and at the same time… There were back-to-back meetings, so that group convened, and then the EPA had a hearing down there related to what Brian was talking about earlier, a Class Two Injection Well.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
So that’s, again, where they put that wastewater that we were talking about earlier.
ME:
So that’s the Naples area. Are there any other areas of Florida to be concerned about?
KR:
So [with the Naples area], there are three counties down there, there’s Collier County, which is the area that’s hottest right now, there’s Lee County, and then there’s Hendry County.
ME:
Okay.
KR:
And then also over in the Pensacola area, in the Jay area [more info on Jay is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay,_Florida ], there’s a bit of a shell basin that’s very large that goes into other states, Alabama and Mississippi. That area is also an area to keep an eye out for. It’s not active right now, but it’s definitely something that, as this country... and, as you said, the two major political parties are very much supportive of natural gas. They call it natural gas, they don’t like to talk about “fracking” as much…
ME:
Right.
KR:
But that’s where we get at least 50% of our natural gas, is from fracking. So as this country gets more and more addicted to natural gas, then it is definitely an area to keep in mind, that area over in Pensacola.
ME:
Okay. So there’s a great summary of the dangers of fracking and how it’s encroaching on Florida.
What other environmental issues are on your radar, in Florida or across the country? I saw on the ReThink Energy Florida website that the Keystone XL Pipeline is one concern. Also advanced nuclear cost recovery… I know we don’t have too much time to go into every environmental issue, but do either of you want to speak to one of those issues, or a different one?
BL:
Sure. What happens with advanced nuclear cost recovery is, it’s a state policy that investor-owned utilities can charge their customers for the building and maintenance of nuclear power plants, whether or not the nuclear power plant winds up being built or repaired. And there have been a couple of issues recently where the nuclear power plant ended up being cancelled or the repairs ended being cancelled.
So it’s a very, very important consumer issue, because any other investment… If you’re investing in a company, then the people investing in the company should be taking the risk…
ME:
Right.
BL:
...Not the customers of the company. And the state of Florida has allowed the customers of the company, the consumers, the rate-payers, to take all of the risk, with the advanced nuclear cost recovery program. And consumers are getting screwed over with this program. It just needs to stop.
If nuclear power plants are such a risk that the investors aren’t willing and able to put money into it, then it might be time to rethink using nuclear power.
ME:
Alright, that’s an excellent point. Okay, if there’s nothing else, I’ll go ahead and move on.
I read in the Tallahassee Democrat that ReThink Energy Florida is, quote, “dedicated to promoting awareness of fossil fuel dangers and the power of renewable energy options. It won’t stop pushing until three things take shape: every drop of oil cleaned up responsibly, place a permanent renewable energy policy on off-shore oil drilling and” that “there is a serious renewable energy policy in place that steers people away from oil dependence at every level of government.” So I was quoting the Tallahassee Democrat there.
But it reminded me that ReThink Energy Florida started as a response to the Deepwater Horizon / BP Gulf oil spill.
Kim, can you speak to why you founded ReThink Energy Florida, and Brian, your husband, co-founded it, why the two of you decided to take that response after seeing all the damage in the Gulf of Mexico?
KR:
Sure, absolutely. ReThink Energy Florida actually came out of an organization, kind of a fluid organization, called Crude Awakening Tallahassee. When the Deepwater Horizon disaster was going on, when the oil just kept spilling into our wonderful Gulf, I looked around and I saw people looking hopeless and helpless. We were being told, “There’s really nothing you can do, the only thing you can really do is go shop at your neighbors’ stores near the Gulf, and support their businesses, because they’re having a hard time down there.”
ME:
Right.
KR:
And, y’know, it took a lot of training to be able to go out there and clean up the oil, and that sort of thing. So people were really, just, helpless and hopeless. It was quite amazing. And so I thought to myself, y’know, “Okay, so we can’t clean up the oil, but there’s got to be something that we can do.” And so the thing that I keyed in on was that we need to get off fossil fuels.
They’re not drilling in the Gulf of Mexico because it’s so inexpensive and that’s the best place to drill, although it is the best place to drill now because we’ve used up all the low-hanging fruit, if you will; we’ve already drilled at the places where oil is easy to get.
ME:
On land.
KR:
On land.
ME:
Right.
KR:
So, now, they’re headed into the Gulf; they’re headed into the tar sands of Alberta. They’re doing things that are much more difficult, and one of the reasons why is because we as a country are still addicted to oil and to fossil fuels. So the overall solution is actually to get on to renewable energy, and off of fossil fuels.
So we started off as being advocates and activists, as Crude Awakening Tallahassee, and really got a lot of the community in the state rallied around the idea of getting a permanent moratorium on offshore oil drilling onto the 2010 ballot.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
And getting Charlie Crist to call a special session. So we did a lot of red-letter writing, we had rallies, and as a result, Charlie Crist actually did call that special session. Now the special session didn’t go as we wanted it to, but that was always kind of a small battle in the overall scheme of things.
After that effort was coming to a close, with the special session over, and that was around the same time as the Deepwater Horizon, or the plug was actually working, and the oil had stopped…
ME:
Right, I remember they had tried so many other options and they had all failed, while the oil was just gushing at the bottom of the Gulf. I didn’t mean to interrupt, I just remember it, vividly…
KR:
Yeah. I’m starting to meet children who don’t remember, so…
ME:
Yeah.
KR:
So, it’s definitely something to keep in mind, because that’s something that really, kind of, spurs us on, and spurred us into action with ReThink Energy. So, we’re a nonprofit, but we don’t shy away from doing advocacy. We do a lot of education, because educating and engaging citizens is really what we need to do, in order to make a change. We need to make changes in our personal lives and we need to make changes with our policy, at every level of government.
While those three items, y’know, every drop of oil cleaned up responsibly, a permanent renewable energy policy, and a ban on offshore oil drilling and other forms of fossil fuels, y’know, some of those are pie-in-the-sky, especially the [part about] every drop of oil [being] cleaned up responsibly, they haven’t done that in the Exxon-Valdez case, right. There’s still oil.
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
So those are pie-in-the-sky, but that foundation of, “Hey, this is really important, keep these things in mind, we need to keep these lessons in mind,” and actually let it instruct us on how to move forward, and where we’re focused. And we need to make sure we are focused on renewable energy.
ME:
And for some of the listeners out there that might not be too familiar with renewable energy, y’know, non-fossil-fuel energy, can you describe, Kim or Brian, some of the types of alternative energy out there that is ready to be used?
BL:
Oh, absolutely. I mean, Florida is the Sunshine State, and we should be heavily, heavily utilizing solar. And the solar technology that’s available today is not Jimmy Carter’s solar energy. We’ve got photovoltaic cells that are far more efficient than they ever were in the past, and they’re getting more and more efficient every year.
Per kilowatt hour, right now, solar is cheaper than fossil fuels, if you take into account the externalities that fossil fuels generate. You’re not paying the full price at the pump when you buy gasoline. When you buy gasoline, you’re paying part of the price at the pump, but you’re also paying a lot of money for fossil fuels in the forms of tax subsidies to the petrochemical industry and the utilization of the United States military in protecting our energy sources overseas.
Additionally, externalities include the pollution caused by oil spills. When people say that oil is more efficient than solar or wind, they’re not taking into account, that, well, an oil rig blows up, and then they have to send a robot down to fix it, and then the robot doesn’t work, and they have to send another robot down to fix it, and then that doesn’t work, and then they have to send other things down to plug it up. They don’t talk about that when they talk about energy efficiency. They just talk about the energy generated simply by burning the fossil fuel itself.
Other innovations in solar industry include concentrated solar. Another talking point that people love to say, when you talk about solar, is, “Well, solar doesn’t work at night.” And that’s not true anymore. Solar energy generates electricity at night, when you’re using concentrated solar. With concentrated solar, the solar rays are directed towards tubing containing a saline solution that becomes superheated and circulates through a system that runs turbines, and that fluid gets so hot that it continues running those turbines overnight. So, solar energy works at night now.
There’s also wind energy. People will dismiss wind energy, saying, “Well, it kills birds.” But, of course, if you look at the real statistics about what kills birds, a far, far higher percentage are killed by air pollution and by flying into the very large buildings that make up the infrastructure for fossil fuel and nuclear energy.
ME:
Okay. Kim, earlier you were talking about how so much of what ReThink Energy Florida does is about educating, and, kind of, keeping future generations informed. So can you tell me about something ReThink Energy Florida does called Energy Camp?
KR:
Absolutely. Energy Camp is my favorite time of year, because children are spectacular, and Energy Camp is designed for kids that are in 3rd through 6th grade. And kids really get it. We spend the first half of the first day of Energy Camp talking about the problems. And then we spend the entire rest of what is now a two-week series talking about all the solutions and all the different ways that kids can have a positive impact on our energy usage, and going toward renewable energy. They absolutely get it.
And everything we do is very hands-on, so we don’t have a series of lectures, we have, “Hey, let’s put this little solar bug together, and the solar bug will vibrate when the sun’s out.” And we take field trips to see local gardens so we can talk about the connection between our food and our energy, which, y’know, there’s a very big connection there. And so these kids are just fantastic, they get it, they’re very quickly, like, “Okay, I get it, just tell me what can we do about it.” And then they get their power.
A lot of my times spent with adults is reminding them, hey, we still live in a democracy, we can still talk to our leaders and our folks who are making decisions, but kids get that they’re powerful. [laughs]
And the ideas that come from them are things that I’ve never heard an adult say. We also go into schools during the school year and just do presentations. I remember I gave a presentation last fall and this young man, he was in sixth grade, and he was kind of small for his age, he raised his hand and said, “Well, I think we can create a wind-powered car by connecting this, y’know, by getting a little windmill on the back of the car, and we can connect the electrodes this way, and we can connect the wires…” and I’m like, “Well, dude, that’s why I’m talking to you…”
ME:
[laughs]
KR:
“...because you’re the ones that will be coming up with the ideas.” [laughs] “You’ve got the creativity and no one has told you that you can’t do what’s in your mind. And that’s why we need you.”
ME:
That’s great. I mean, speaking as a parent and a citizen and someone with experience with the public school system, I’m so happy to hear that, because there are some parts of the country that even if you bring up climate change, as a teacher, it’s considered controversial. So, in some ways… it’s sad, when you think about it, because we’ve slid backwards, environmental-education-wise, so it’s always good to hear about environmental education programs out there. That’s fantastic.
KR:
Yeah, absolutely.
BL:
And we would be remiss in discussing Energy Camp if we didn’t bring up The Energy Ball, which I’m going to give a brief plug for, and I hope it makes the edit.
ME:
Oh, absolutely. [laughs]
BL:
The Energy Ball is a fundraiser. It’s our big fundraiser every year; this will be our third annual Energy Ball. It’s going to feature some great music, some great food, and a silent auction, and part of the proceeds from this go towards funding scholarships for Energy Camp, because organizationally [at ReThink Energy Florida] our philosophy is that no child should miss out on this educational opportunity because of their family’s financial situation. So we end up with a full camp where most of the students are on a partial or full scholarship, and we work very hard, leading up to the Energy Ball, to make sure that we raise that money so that these kids can go to this camp.
So that’s going to be June 20th…
KR:
[laughs]
BL:
For our Leon County listeners, it’s going to be at the Woman’s Club at Midtown, and get in touch with us for tickets.
KR:
And they are co-sponsors of the event.
BL:
And they are co-sponsors of the event. Yes.
ME:
No, I don’t mind plugs like that at all. I hope people share the transcript and the audio for this podcast, and y’know, it’s timely, like you said, in June.
Okay, moving on, I’d like to ask a question for Brian. You do consulting work of a sort through your business, which is Tallahassee Progressive Grassroots Consulting. You provide campaign services. You are also running as a candidate yourself. What's the seat that you are running for and what are the issues in the race?
BL:
I’m running for Leon Soil and Water Conservation District Supervisor, Seat 4. Leon County voters, after you vote for Governor and Commissioner of Agriculture and County Commission and City Commission and Dog Catcher, and you get all the way down to the bottom of the ballot, that’s the Leon County Soil and Water Conservation District race.
ME:
[laughs]
BL:
And The Soil and Water Conservation District Boards were formed during the FDR Administration, during the Dust Bowl Crisis, as a way of educating farmers as to how to avoid soil erosion and how to use good agricultural practices.
Since then, they’ve morphed into a lot of different things. The Leon County Soil and Water Conservation District Board has a fairly narrow scope, and we educate and advocate. We educate about soil and water conservation and we advocate to local government and state government that they help to encourage these practices.
As far as my campaign itself goes, I’m running a carbon-neutral, green campaign. I’m going to be one of very few candidates for office, anywhere that you’re going to hear about, that does not use yard signs. Every election cycle, every candidate puts a couple 100,000 square feet of polyurethane into the landfill. I cannot, in clear conscience, as a Soil and Water Conservation Supervisor, run a campaign that puts a bunch of plastic into the landfill.
So, I’m going to be running a little bit of a different-than-usual campaign. It’s going to be clean and green. I’m going to be using printers, for my printed materials, that use sustainable printing practices. I’m going to be bicycling to take my campaign checks to the bank, whenever possible. And whenever that’s not feasible, I’m going to be donating part of my campaign proceeds to what’s called The Community Carbon Fund, here in Leon County, which is an organization… It’s sort of like a papal indulgence; they make up for your carbon usage by funding other good environmental practices.
KR:
They’re here in town, too. That’s the nice thing about it. There are lots of those types of offsets that the Community Carbon Fund… it’s really nice because you can see the specific things that are done for local non-profits, here in Tallahassee.
ME:
All right. A lot of the work that both of you do is right in Tallahassee, where the Capitol is, where the Legislature works. What kind of impressions do you get from lawmakers?
I mean, Kim, you also have EarthSTEPS, which we didn’t go too far into; that’s your environmental consulting firm. And Brian, you have your grassroots consulting business. What kind of impressions do you get from lawmakers about their concerns for the environment? Is it really a concern for them overall, at all, do you think?
KR:
It depends on who you talk to. Here, the folks… You’re right, we’re based in Tallahassee, and we’re in the process of expanding. The folks that are here, both on a local level and our representatives in the State Legislature, are very positive, they’re doing what they can, they’re trying to move renewable energy issues forward. And I don’t think that that’s entirely an accident. They’re all good people, but I also think the fact that we’re here, and that we’re grassroots encouraging people, other people, not just us, to talk to them…
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
I think that that says something, which is part of why we’re expanding to be statewide, part of why we’re looking for other chapters and other groups that we can ally with, statewide, because we need more people calling their legislators, and saying, hey, this is a concern for me, Florida is in the brunt of climate change, and we need to be doing something NOW.
So, it really does depend on who you talk to. Y’know, we’ve got some great representatives and senators out there. We’ve got Senator Bullard and Senator Soto. They’re looking at how we can address the fracking issue next year, with some sort of moratorium, and making sure our state laws are updated, so that there is no further excuse [like], “Hey, we may as well drill, because state law says we can drill.” Right now we have a void…
ME:
Mm-hmm.
KR:
...in our laws, related to fracking. Senators Soto and Bullard will talk climate change, and they’ll talk energy issues.
Honestly, there are not a lot of folks concerned about it. Unfortunately, this was not caught on tape, but where our senators and representatives passed a resolution to send a letter to President Obama to tell him that Florida is in favor of the Keystone XL Pipeline. So we went just to make sure we were on camera, holding signs, saying, “Uh, not all of Florida…” [laughs]
ME:
Yeah.
KR:
“Just because you did that doesn’t mean you’re actually representing the way Floridians feel.”
At that press conference, off-camera, somebody asked the chairperson of the Energy Committee, aren’t they concerned about peak oil, which is what we talked about earlier, is that oil is just more and more expensive, and at some point will be, really, just too expensive to extract from the ground, and that, y’know, it’s not going to… It was created over millions of years, so...
ME:
Or that we would literally run out.
KR:
Right. Well, unfortunately, the chairperson of the Energy Committee said, “Well, we’re not going to run out of oil. God’s going to replace it.”
ME:
Oh.
KR:
That was his response! [laughs] And I do wish we had caught that on camera, because I really think that people ought to be concerned about science, or the lack thereof, being what guides our leaders.
BL:
And it begs the question, of course, if God’s going to be producing more oil for us, why do we need a Keystone XL Pipeline, why doesn’t he just put it in big bins right next to the refineries?
ME:
[laughs]
BL:
But it also accentuates the need for people, for progressives, for environmentalists, to speak loud and often to their legislators. One of the things we told our interns in our organization is, “We don’t want you just to know the names of your state legislators, and your city and county commission members. We want them to know your name.” We want the government officials, the public servants, that are making these decisions to, when they hear someone from ReThink Energy Florida is coming into their office, we want them a little worried. We want them on their game. We want them to know what the heck they’re talking about.
Because, really, the petrochemical industry has a multi-billion dollar public relations industry and lobbying industry that miseducates and misinforms citizens and legislators about the alleged benefits of fossil fuel and about the alleged risks of renewable energy. So the more people that are properly educated about the benefits of renewable energy, and the risks and dangers of fossil fuel use, the better. And the more those people go and talk to their legislators and properly educate them on these issues, the better.
ME:
Okay. Kim and Brian, it’s great news that your organizations are expanding, thank you for being good stewards of the environment, and thanks for talking to me today.
KR:
Alright, thank you.
BL:
Well, thank you so much for having us.
KR:
Yeah, thanks for covering this important issue.
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And now, resources and calls to action:
All of these will be at the bottom of the transcript, so follow the link on this post at Florida Progressives Dot Com.
Energy Camp is available for kids 3rd grade through 6th grade. One camp starts July 21st, and the second camp starts July 28.
Find more information at http://rethinkenergyflorida.org/ . They also have more information there about the Energy Ball, the fundraiser. You can help fund Energy Camp so that kids can attend regardless of their parents’ financial situation. The Energy Ball will be
June 20, at 7 o’clock at the GFWC Woman’s Club of Tallahassee.
ReThink Energy Florida is also on Facebook, as are its founder Kim Ross and co-founder Brian Lee.
If you want to get involved with their efforts, go to http://rethinkenergyflorida.org/ for internship opportunities and other ways to help.
Kim’s environmental consulting firm EarthSTEPS can be found at http://earthsteps.org/ . Through that she is managing the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building division for the city of Tallahassee.
Best of luck to Brian in his race for the Soil and Water Conservation District Supervisor seat. You can find more information about his campaign by searching for it on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/Brian.Lee.For.Leon.SandW
Kim praised Senator Dwight Bullard and Senator Darren Soto. Check Florida Progressives Dot Com for more info on them ( http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s39 and http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s14 ). Send them thank-you notes for their service and contribute your time or money to their campaigns when they’re up for re-election.
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More on fracking can be found at ProPublica and The Guardian, with links, you guessed it, in the transcript. http://www.propublica.org/series/fracking http://gu-fracking.appspot.com/
As Kim said, there are two groups at ground zero in the Naples area, trying to stop fracking. They are:
The Stone Crab Alliance, at http://www.stonecraballiance.com/
Preserve Our Paradise, at http://preserveourparadise.org/
I’ve also included links to Wikipedia entries to some of the technical, scientific stuff in this podcast, including:
the history of the soil and water conservation programs:
and more info on the Keystone XL Pipeline. http://350.org/campaigns/stop-keystone-xl/
We as Americans need to educate ourselves on terms such as these if we’re ever going to get serious about the switch to renewable energy.
Advanced nuclear cost recovery is the same thing you may have heard about in Episode Two, the thing that the folks at Progress Florida call the nuclear tax. More info is at http://stopnucleartax.com/
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